English | Grace Road - Duncan Patterson Interview 2020
For the reader - DP: Duncan Patterson – JG: Juan Guerra – JC: Juan Carvajal – AL: Aura
López
*For Spanish please click on the next link: https://notasdeunfan.blogspot.com/2020/02/grace-road-entrevista-duncan-patterson.html
Exclusive to Anathema Colombia, we share this
interview with Duncan Patterson who tells us about his new musical project with
which he will return for the year 2021, we hope this is for you a pleasant
answer to all the questions that for 5 years have been living in your heads.
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Hi Duncan, it
is a pleasure for Anathema Colombia to have the opportunity to talk about new
musical project you are working on, in advance we want to give you the Thank
you for contacting us to achieve this interview
Let's do it!
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AL: ¿What has been of your life during the last 5 years?
DP: In 2015 I was part of the Anathema Resonance Tour with the original
vocalist Darren White. The setlist went back in time, started with the band's
more recent songs and regressed back to the first album during a 3hour set.
They were great nights in big venues and a big production. Roadies doing
everything for us, so everything was set up and ready every night. Was great to
play with everyone again, and probably the last time we will all be on the same
stage together, so it was some kind of closure in a way.
After the tour I
continued working on The Eternity Suite, which is a selection of tracks from
the Eternity album plus unreleased music that had been around for years, all
played in a soundtrack almost classical style. I had set up a crowdfunding
thing for the release through the now defunct Pledge Music. After the release I
flew to Mexico where I have been staying ever since. There were problems with
payments, and a number of missing orders, which coincided with the main
directors of Pledge Music leaving the company. I managed to ship the remaining
orders personally from Mexico but again a number of them went missing. I
offered refunds via the company for any missing packages, so I was never paid
the amount raised by the crowdfunding campaign. Since then they have gone into
administration, which I only found out about recently, with huge amounts of
money being withheld from artists.
After that I had some serious personal issues here. I was stuck without
a place to live for a while, no passport or clothes. Maybe not "rock
bottom" but something close. I met a great guy who owned a bar who used to
let me sleep there if I needed to, the problem was that I was in there drinking
daily. I had lost all interest in making music and my days consisted of battling
against anxiety and hangovers. Dark, dark days but I got through it all with
time. Then a good friend and I got struck down by a virus. The doctors said it
was similar to dengue fever, but they still needed to do more tests. It took
months and months to recover from it. I had brain scans, eye pressure tests and
all kinds of exams and I still don’t know what caused it. I stayed here in
Monterrey, did a bit of DJ work and talked to people about doing music again
but I never felt that the energy would return. I was basically just getting by,
drinking to swerve the boredom of daily life, then I found out my girlfriend
was pregnant. Around the same time Danny Cavanagh invited me to tour with
himself and Vinny in Latin America, January 2019. This was my first tour since
the Resonance reunion in 2015. The tour was a success and very fulfilling for me,
but I still wasn’t sure if I’d ever get back into creating music again. In May
2019 Duncan Francis was born. By then I had quit drinking and have been a full-time
father. After a few months of clean living I picked up the acoustic guitar
again and started to revisit some unfinished work.
JC:
Congratulations for your little son Francis, now being a father has been an
inspiration for staying clean (no drinking), making music again, healthy
eating, etc.?
DP:
Thank you. I probably eat more unhealthily now since I stopped drinking haha.
Well I found a new liking for sweet things that I never had previously. I’ve
been very health conscious for a long time though, at least when it comes to
food, which has probably kept me alive to be honest. As for the music, I
thought it had gone. I was very doubtful about whether I would ever get the
energy back. Since I was 16, I was always in creative mode, 100s of ideas
daily. And that carried on despite all the obstacles that I have had thrown in
my way. Then when all the shit happened in 2015/16, I just became numb. I was
in survival mode for years. If I hadn’t had been drinking, I would have been on
antidepressants, which is something that I have always swerved. I remember
Vinny calling me about two years ago telling me I needed to start playing again
and trying to motivate me (thanks mate). I was sat outside a bar with a bottle
of tequila like "Yeah, maybe one day I'll get the energy back" but
deep down I really didn’t think it was going to happen. Then we ended up doing
the Latin American tour last year. That was the first time I’d even seen my
bass since the Resonance Tour in 2015, the lads brought it over from Europe for
me. Those gigs reminded me that I should be playing music again. Then my son
was born a few months later and I looked after him 24 hours a day, lots of
sleepless nights. Now that he is a bit older, I have more time for myself.
Reading a lot and making plans for myself for the first time in years. I read a
lot of autobiographies and interviews, and I read something in an interview
with Ray Cappo that resonated with me. He was talking about his family and his
'legacy', and that his legacy is his music and his books. I don’t want my son
to feel sorry for me. That his dad was unlucky and allowed other people to fuck
him over and not do anything about it. I only have one chance to get this right
and I want to leave a legacy for him to be proud of.
AL:
Why Mexico? What did you like about that country to determine to live there?
DP:
I’ve been visiting Mexico for many years. I like it here, it’s a simpler way of
life than I had in Europe. I didn’t really plan on living here but when I was
stuck here in 2016, I really couldn’t face getting on a plane, even when my
passport was returned. A good friend of mine had a spare room in his apartment
and asked if I wanted to move in. That was a good move for me as I had known
him for many years and felt safe there. I did go back to Europe in late 2016 to
visit my mother. I was still in recovery mode then but had no problems flying
long distance. Now I’m here with my boy and I have no plans to leave him.
AL:
I can assume that after seeing your baby Francis, many aspects of your life
have changed and it occurs to me to ask you, how do you feel today physically
and spiritually, with you and with your new family?
DP:
Physically, I need more sleep haha, and I still have a few health problems that
I need to monitor. Spiritually, I am more positive and feel like I am really
healing.
AL: Going back a bit to the past, I was reading some descriptions made
in 2011 about Íon's record work and, in fact, he felt enormous progress in that
project... What happened to Íon and why didn't you continue with that project?
DP: I started writing the Íon stuff around the time that the Antimatter
project came to an end (Mick Moss kept the name in 2005 for his solo project).
Id decided to walk away from the whole thing and do something more positive. I
was living alone at the time in a farmhouse in rural Ireland. A lot of
meditation and searching for inner guidance. Reading a lot of Buddhism, Taoism,
stuff about controlling negative thoughts, Louise Hay and that. Anyway, I
started working on the first album Madre, Protegenos. I sent a few instrumental
demos to Equilibrium Music and they offered me a deal. I was searching for
musicians to get involved and try and to create some magic in the studio, but
it was really difficult. I met with a number of musicians who said they were
interested, but the reality was that they didn’t bother learning the songs and
brought nothing to the table. A girl called Emily Bly flew over from the USA
and recorded the flute and clarinet parts. She was the real deal, even knew the
guitar parts and everything, that was really great but unfortunately a rare occurrence.
Then a Russian girl called Emily Saaen got in touch and played me some of her
tracks. She ended up singing most of the album tracks and did a great job.
Anathema had a tour booked in Turkey and needed a replacement for Lee Douglas,
as Lee had something else happening back home, and Emily ended up doing 3 gigs
or so. We lost touch after that, but I continued to search for musicians for
the 2nd album and to take it out on tour. I ended up recording the 2nd album
Immaculada in Portugal. I had better luck with musicians this time around. A
young French lad called Colin Fromont flew over to play drums and percussion.
He had everything figured out in advance and was a great player. A Turkish
violinist Gokce, who had played with Vinny Cavanagh and myself in Istanbul, she
recorded some great stuff for the album. While I was in Portugal, I befriended
more musicians who provided the flute, cello and Portuguese guitar parts. An
Irish singer called Lisa Cuthbert contacted me as she knew I was looking for a
vocalist. Lisa did some great work on the album, bringing in her own ideas for
harmonies and stuff. By the time the album was released, the main guy from the
record label had quit and the contact became very sparse. I don’t recall if I
did any interviews that were arranged by the label, so I ended up working hard
trying to get press coverage myself. I still planned on playing live with the
project though and started to speak with promoters. I received the usually crap
from some like "we can make this a kind of Anathema tribute night?"
but I received a few decent offers and South America was looking likely. While
I was making plans about the lineup Lisa and Colin had already invited to play
with 'Antimatter' and they ended up recording and touring together. After that
I just gave up trying.
JC:
Can you explain us like a difference from all your solo projects? e.g. Ion,
Alternative 4, The Eternity Suite, your next project, not just musically
talking, but like the concept, lyrics meanings, moods while recording them, etc.
DP:
With the Íon stuff I wanted to do something do break the negativity of my
previous records. I felt free and didn’t care about the parasitic people that
had always surrounded me as a musician. Yet I still managed to attract them to
the project. I was also playing with an Irish band called The Aftermath at the
time, kind of like a session musician/friend who played bass and liked their
songs. We also played at weddings, events, hotels as well as original gigs.
That was a brilliant time for me. Playing in a functioning band under no
pressure. I didn’t have to teach anybody how to play anything, didn’t have to
book flights/coaches/hotels. All I had to do was learn the songs and enjoy
playing them live. My happiest days of playing music, great memories. So, I was
feeling very fulfilled with that side of things, performing and communicating
etc. and at the same time I had all of my creative energy for the Íon project
and the spiritual, more positive side of me.
After
the second Íon album I started Alternative 4. This wasn’t a solo project; it
was a functioning band. The lyrical themes were based on the abuse of power,
injustice, people not thinking for themselves. It always felt like hard work
though. It was supposed to be something more political and rebellious, but it
was really just me trying to convince to other guys to be like that, and they weren’t.
They should have told me that in the beginning though.
The
Eternity Suite was a return to old compositions, with a few unreleased pieces
added. I wasn’t in a good place when recording it though. I plan on taking it outlive
next year, which I’m really looking forward to.
JC: Regarding the money you have spent in this solo career, do you still
receive royalties from your previous bands? (for selling’s albums, playing your
songs, music apps?)
DP: Of course, that’s how it works. But I have spent a lot of time
chasing missing payments and correcting errors on royalty statements. I have
ignored it for the last few years though and only recently started sorting out all
my accounts. I have had no correspondence regarding the Íon stuff for years. That’s
something that needs sorting out asap. A lot of my music gets used on TV around
the World, as it has its cinematic moments, I get paid for that too. I still
make a living from music, so it hasn’t all been a waste of time. Its fulfillment
that I am searching for though. Creating things that I will be able to look
back at and be proud of.
JG: It generated an interest in me to find information about the
opportunity that you had to work with Mark Kelson awesome musician and now he
has his band called The Eternal; did you ever think maybe to re-record
something together or have a project in common?

A guy called Simon Flatley got in touch with me and sent a demo
of his. I played it to the others, and we all agreed that he would be a good
addition to the band. I went to meet him, and we chatted a lot. He is a very
intelligent lad and was really into the lyrical concepts etc., so that was a
really positive thing for me. We all went to Ireland to record the 2nd album
'The Obscurants'. There was tension in the studio as Mark had a problem with
Simon being there, and he didn’t hide it well. I tried to keep everything calm,
but it wasn’t easy, and it really affected the creative process. The songs
still sounded ok but needed more work doing. We had a European tour booked
straight after the studio sessions, with the first gig being in Dublin. Simon didn’t
do the tour with us, but it was clear that Mark wasn’t happy. After the final
gig in Krakow we spoke and agreed that it wasn’t a good idea to continue in
that way. I took the lads to a nearby club and I went straight to sleep. I haven’t
seen Mark since. After that I gave up trying to find another vocalist, so Simon
re-recorded the parts that Mark had originally done. We were given a deadline
to get the mixing/mastering/artwork done so that the album would be released in
time for two gigs with Anathema in Ireland. I had everything booked, flights,
hotels, musicians, equipment, transport all paid from my own pocket. A few
weeks before the Irish dates I received an email from Simon telling me he didn’t
want to play music anymore and was more interested in gnostic religions. So
that was that. I 'officially' disbanded Alternative 4 last month but really it
ended that night in Krakow in 2012. A year and a day after our first gig.
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Simon Flatley | Mauro Frison | Duncan Patterson |
JG: As you tell us, there was always a good energy between you and Mark
Kelson, and you both did good work and projects, beyond the problem you had
with Simon, you never thought about contacting Mark again and talking for doing
new things?
DP: As friends we got along great, it just didn’t work being in a band
together. We both make music for different reasons and have different ideas
about how to go about things. It took me a few years to discover that he had no
interest in the lyrics that he was singing. For some people I’m too 'serious'
about music and my stance on the music industry etc. And I don’t think a lot of
people who were never involved in underground music really understand it. I
come from a scene where bands exchanged demos, tape traders, underground labels
and fanzines, promoters etc. It was healthy, people supported each other as
opposed to being in some sort of competition or race to be 'famous'. As
Anathema became more commercially 'successful' I realized that I didn’t belong
in that area of the music business. I get way more fulfillment by doing thing
independently, and this is something that I have reiterated for over 20 years
in my interviews, conversations with people who like my music, conversations
with bandmates, and more importantly in my actions. Yet people still have difficulty
understanding it. I think it’s mostly to do with what became of the scene that
I was in though. Bands like Paradise Lost, Opeth etc. really played the game
for commercial success and I get lumped in with that because I was in Anathema
22 years ago. I do understand that people who only latched onto that scene when
it became commercial will never really understand its origins, but I do try to
explain. It’s probably my accent that’s the problem.
AL: A year ago, the ‘Acoustic Resonance Tour’ tour was held; What
expectation did you have at time to return to the stage with Danny and Vincent
on that tour? And as you did you feel during and after it?
DP: I’ve played with those lads many, many times so there were no extra
special expectations, it was great for me to be playing some new places though.
I’d never played Guadalajara, Bogota (or anywhere in Colombia), or Florianopolis
before. I played Buenos Aires and Santiago in 2010 and Sao Paulo back in 1994
so it was also nice to be returning there. The tour went well. Vinny really
looked after us, setting all the gear up and basically sorting everything out.
Both Danny and myself had some personal problems going on at the time, so we
were trying to escape/deal with all that while we were away, but the gigs were
a great way to change the mood.
JC:
Just one last regarding Anathema (as you were involved), you talked about a big
production while the Resonance Tour, do you know if Daniel or any of the guys
thought about doing a DVD for these shows? , there are some really good videos
on YouTube from these shows.
DP:
It was discussed early on, but it would have taken a lot of planning to do, and
I’m not sure it would have been a good move for them career-wise. It took a
long, long time for the lads to break the 'metal band' hoodoo and I can imagine
them being quizzed about making a return to the roots and stuff like that. I’m
fine with the YouTube videos from it. Darren has some other footage and photos
from the tour. Ill pester him for it for my YouTube channel. I also have some
priceless video footage from the Eternity European Tour and the recording and
mixing sessions for Alternative 4.
AL: What do you expect to find after the return to the music industry?
DP: My plan is to stay as far away from the industry as possible, but I
am going to have to use certain platforms to get the music out there and
available. I have a lot of contempt for the music industry and I wish more
people understood how it really works. One of the reasons I quit Anathema in
1998 was because I wanted out of the industry. The irony is that, since then, I
have been in bands with people who were more motivated by money, attention, and
commercial success than Anathema ever were when I was in the band. I was
battling against the superficially side of it all, while not only enabling, but
actually aiding some of the worst glory hunters that I’ve ever come across in
my life.
AL: How do you plan to show people or in this case, your followers, how
does this music industry work and why do you want to be at the limit of it?
DP: I’ve been talking about it for the past 20 years. I’m not planning
to show anyone anything, I’m just making things clear from my perspective. The
concept of being a real 'independent musician' is lost on most people. Basically,
I don’t like the music industry. I don’t like how things work within the big
magazines. I don’t like the way big labels and management companies try to monopolize
everything for their bands. I don’t like how a lot of musicians feel superior
to the people who are paying their way. Yet this is all enabled by 'fans',
consumers. I just wish people were more aware of how things work within the industry.
I remember years ago the first Antimatter album was voted by journalists to be
Album Of The Month in a big European music magazine but it went to another band
instead, solely because their record label had purchased advertising in that
magazine in exchange for 'favor’s'. This wasn’t a band on a major label either.
I know 100s of similar stories.
JG: What kind of platforms do you plan to use to have your music
available? We have seen that some ION album is available on Spotify, what do
you think about this type of platforms such as Spotify, Deezer, etc.?
DP: I didn’t release the Íon albums, Equilibrium Music did, and they
used a digital distribution company for online stuff. For the Eternity Suite I
released it digitally with a distribution company who deals with iTunes, Amazon
etc. which is basically all that a record label would do. I’d rather have my
music on there than not. I can’t expect everyone to listen to my music on
cassette in their bedrooms, complaining about capitalism and burning their
Opeth meet & greet tickets. But seriously I am talking with people about
the best way forward with this. I want everything to be in the same place.
AL: You could tell us something about the new projects and what awaits
us at the musical level since 2021 on your part?
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Grace Road - Liverpool |
DP: I’m just going to use my own name in future for my releases. In
hindsight, it’s something I would have been better doing 20 years ago but I wasn’t
to know how things would turn out. The album that I’m currently working on is
called Grace Road, which is the name of the road in Liverpool where I lived
when I was born. I wrote a lot of the music before I recorded The Eternity
Suite but, apart from 2 recordings, it’s been locked away in my brain for over
5 years. I was going to call it Walking Between Worlds, but Simple Minds have
released something with a similar title not too long ago. My cousin told me
that Grace Road was a great album title, and the more I thought about it the
more I like it. Musically, it still sounds like me, my style of piano parts and
bass lines, dynamics etc. This time I will work on it all with a clear mind
though. If something isn’t working 100%, I will not try and rescue or disguise
it. The same with any people involved, I’m not going to carry people or make
excuses for them anymore. This is my legacy really and I have written too much
music in the past that I have allowed other people drag down to a lower
frequency. Back then I thought that it was egotistical to be too assertive with
people about my own music, but I remind myself of when I am recording other people’s
music. If I’m not 100% into it, I don’t say yes in the first place.
AL: Why you didn’t want to continue with any of your previous projects
and focus on what you do today?
DP: I already explained about the demise of Alternative 4. I did think
about getting another singer and continuing with the band name, but 3 albums
with 3 different singers doesn’t sit right with me. Also, I don’t want to work
with Prophecy Productions anymore, so it was better to call it a day. As for
Íon, I’m still waiting on a reply from Equilibrium Music about where I stand regarding
the 2 albums that they released. I have no plans to exhume that project now,
but I won’t say never. My focus now is to get back on track with my music and
have it all easily accessible.
JG: What inspiration did you have for the composition of these new
projects that are coming?
DP: Grace Road is mostly about dying, about 'going home' and the entire
life cycle. The amount of time that we waste here on Earth worrying about innate
shit. Growing up and questioning unhealthy cultural or hereditary patterns. Actually,
being an individual human being, being present here. Since I quit drinking, I realized
just how much time I spent dumbing myself down to fit in with my surroundings
in some way. Not always, but way too much. If we are born able bodied with
enough functioning brain cells, and are not subject to any serious trauma, then
we hit the fucking jackpot at birth. There are millions of people who would
dream about being in control and have the options that most of us who were born
into a fairly comfortable life have. From that perspective, it seems ridiculous
to go into self-destructive mode when it’s by choice. And by that I’m not referring
solely to alcohol abuse, but any kind of self-sabotage and unhealthy
attachment. Anyway, death and that, and not wasting your life it’s the main
theme throughout the record. I’m not gonna be growling about skeletons though,
so don’t get too excited.
JG: You told us that a lot of the music that will be on “Grace Road” was
written before “The eternity suite”, is there any kind of similar feeling from
that past moment connected with the experiences and learning you have had? You
also told us that "Grace Road" tries in part to return home, have you
thought about returning to Liverpool? Getting close to Grace Road again?
DP: Most of the music on The Eternity Suite was written in the 1990s,
but I was working on the Grace Road stuff before I started arranging The
Eternity Suite. It’s all connected though as it came from the same source. My
actual music hasn’t changed too much over the years, the instrumentation and
format maybe, but not the actual music. The themes on both albums are very
similar too, so it’s a nice follow up. I don’t think I will ever return to live
in Liverpool, but you never know. The album is not about returning to a
physical home though.
AL: Having the opportunity to have been out of the industry for so long,
what could you tell us about the evolution that music has had today and how do
you intend to give it a new turn to generate more interest in your new project?
DP: I don’t see any evolution at all in music. I certainly haven’t
evolved too much, musically, during the past 20 odd years, but I have cleared
my mind and hopefully figured out what was stopping me from moving forward with
any of my projects. I was speaking to an old friend who is a musician but also
works in the industry. He told me that I needed an Instagram account and 1000s
of followers now if I want anyone to take me seriously. After nearly 30 years
of releasing records and touring I need to be an Instagram model now? Anyway, I
just want to have all my music available in one place and that the people who
follow me on social media know where it is. I have never 'played the game' for
the simple fact that I think its hideous, and I’m not going to start now as a middle-aged
man. I will just continue to write and release music in my style and work more
on the visual side of things. I’d love to do a complete album/video combo. The
plan now is to release the albums digitally and people can pay what they want.
I still love vinyl, so I will look into that too.
AL: On several occasions we have read on social networks about your
intention to return to Colombia, in that order of ideas, would you come to
present your new project? What do you like of our country?
DP: I plan to tour next year with classical musicians. Parts of The
Eternity Suite as an audio-visual show around Latin America. It’ll be the 25th
anniversary of the Eternity album too, which sets a nice date for it. I’d love
to return to Colombia for at least one show. Last year I only really saw the
airport, the hotel bar and the venue.
JG: What bands or artists do you usually listen to today and what could
be your musical influences personally and in the composer position?
DP: Recently I’ve been listening to a lot of Buddy Holly and Krishna
Das. I love to hear singing along to both, but they have no influence on my
writing. Not yet anyway. I’m trying to return to the way I felt when I lived in
the farmhouse in Ireland, and a lot of that was down to the music that I was
listening to. Nearly every morning I would put wood on the fire and listen to
Lisa Gerrard - Immortal Memory while eating porridge and drinking chamomile
tea. I’d love to feel like that again, or realistically a new version of how I
felt back then. As for influences on my writing, I can only think of Camilo
Sesto who has had a direct influence recently. Not really on my writing but on
the type of production I’m thinking about.
AL: It is curious to know that there is some direct influence with
Camilo Sesto, why did it become an influence for you? Tell us more about this.
DP: I love some of his tracks, especially the production and
instrumentation. Great hair too. When I hear something that gets my attention
anywhere, whether it’s in a techno club or a Mexican cantina, I always ask
"excuse me, who is this playing?". I’ve discovered so much music this
way and that’s how I discovered Camilo Sesto. There will be some influence on
the instrumentation on my new album. I already have it in mind.
AL: Duncan, we know that you've been living in Monterrey - Mexico for
quite some time, given this, we want to know if the record label that will be
in charge of your new project will be independent or external?
DP: Where I live has no bearing on which record companies I’ve ever
worked with. I don’t have any plans on handing my music to a record label again
though. Maybe for a vinyl license or something similar. I have my own label
Strangelight Records. I want all of my music in the same place now for the
right people to be able to find. That includes some old albums that I’m trying
to retrieve the rights back for from other companies, since I haven’t been paid
anything from them for years.
JG: Will the recording of this new project be given from the current
country of residence? Or is there plans to change cities? Maybe you have
thought the name or title of your new project?
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Duncan P with Saul Solis | Obsidian Sound - Temple Studios 2019 |
DP: The plan right now is to record here in Monterrey with a guy I met
recently. He’s a good friend of a good friend and is a talented drummer, has
similar views to me about the creative side of things, and also works with
soundtracks and tv, so it sounds too good to be true haha. That’s Plan A at the
moment, to record the spine of the music there then I’m going to be in the UK
later in the year and I hope to be able to get into the studio there, with the
guest vocalists that I have spoken to about doing it. As I said early, I will
release this stuff using my own name.
JG: Duncan, do you like movies? Do you have a movie that finds you
connected to your compositions? Any kind of reference that suddenly you would
like to apply to the visual aspect of your projects?
DP: I’m not a huge movie fan but I like documentaries and movies based
on real life. I do plan on working more with the visual arts though.
AL: Finally, any message or lesson you want to leave to our followers?
DP: Well thank you for taking the time to read about what I’m up to. I’m
in the process of uploading tracks to my YouTube channel. I also have Facebook
and Instagram accounts if you wish to like/follow them.
AL: Remind us how you appear on your social networks
Facebook:Duncanpatterson.music - https://m.facebook.com/duncanpatterson.music
Instagram: @duncanpattersonmusic
YouTube: Duncan Patterson - https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCCQ-fhOxp-4LNGN5i6_DVcw
Thank you for this interview, we are attentive to the publication of
this new project and we wish that is as prosperous as the other projects you
have had during your long musical trajectory which, we consider, needs a lot of
recognition.
Entrevista realizada por Juan Guerra, Juan Carvajal y Aura López, Administradores de Anathema Colombia Facebook | Twitter | Instagram en su orden.
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